Friday, June 13, 2008

"CELEBRATING" the PDX Illegal Alien Job Center

From Mayor Moonbeam's press release:
"The new space, at the corner of N.E. Martin Luther King Boulevard and N.E. Everett Street, will offer any day laborer a safe location to seek employment; deter unscrupulous employers from taking advantage of workers; help police identify criminals from those seeking work, and improve neighborhood livability and the local business environment.
The site will officially open for business on Monday, June 16th.


THEY'RE ADVERTISING HERE (GREAT CATCH, ANDY).
FLASHBACK HERE .
JUDICIAL WATCH LETTER SENT TO MAYOR MOONBEAM HERE.

Posted by Victoria Taft, 11am - 3pm KPAM 860 at 15:01

14 comments:

  1. why is this called the illegal alien job center? if they are providing jobs to illegal aliens, I am sure ICE will be there soon. Maybe someone is calling this the illegal alien job center to act like this is some illegal act the city is doing and the hatred is really for people not like themselves. Any proof of this facility actually using illegal aliens? Proof? Oh, none. I didnt think so. People make conservatives look bad by using this kind of exxagerated claims against people. I mean if you really have a problem with employers hiring illegals, provide proof of the employment to the Federal Government, they have been doing an adequate job of rounding them up in mass. and make it public that businesses are using them. Anti-marketing works. I know when I am bidding on contracts, I can actually point out to the prospective customer that two of my competitors use them, because I Have PROOF of it. Its a lock on a contract.
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  2. it's only for illegal aliens because if you're legally a citizen you can go to any of the dozens of temp agencies in the surrounding area.
    right?
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  3. I didn't see it promoted as an "illegal alien" job center either.

    Are any of the existing temporary employment agencies offering the same thing, a place to go, on a day you feel like working, to see if anyone wants to hire you?
    Or do they have a lengthy process of forms before they even consider you?
    What about fees?

    What about those who want to hire someone for the day?
    How hard is it to hire through one of these agencies?
    What are the fees?

    I think this job center is a really good idea.
    If you know for certain someone is illegal, then report them.
    If you don't know for sure, then leave them alone.
    Innocent until proven guilty, is one of the ideals of those who founded this country.

    One thing you can do, is to learn about the supply and labor chain of the products you buy. Then choose those that did not use labor you do not approve of, even if it means paying more for your products.
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  4. Yes, a day labor center is generally an OK idea. It makes it cheap for people to hire someone for a single day, say, to build a retaining wall or do lawn work. The problem is, this project is a direct response to the fact that hoards of illegal immigrants seeking work are lounging around empty parking lots or along roadways; the city feels like spending taxpayer money to make it more comfortable for people who lack the legal right to even be in this country to get hired.

    As Victoria pointed out, the legal immigrants all travel openly to wherever there might be a job. They can sign up with temp agencies, use cars and mass transit (even if poor) to seek employment... they have little to no need for a place to get out of the weather so they can lounge around waiting for be hired. The people outside of the illegal immigrant community who need this center are extremely few in number. Thus, the center is designed to help illegal immigrants.
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  5. Well Keith,
    If you know that a particular individual is here illegally, then report them.

    Remember "Innocent until PROVEN guilty"

    Personally, I think that as long as they have people hanging around, making use of the day labor center, they should put some time in, building a nice fence around it.
    Make it less of an eye sore.

    I have a lot more respect for those who hang out looking for work, than those who hang out and beg.
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  6. Eileen (spelled backwards and upside down, a hint as to her thinking) and cnskate are showing themselves to be advocates of the illegals here in our area. One day these same illegals my come back to bite you two in ways that you don't even want to contemplate, i.e., identity theft, assault on the MAX, or worse (as those two nuns in the K Falls area could attest to). But, never fear, those criminals will never bother one of their advocates. RIGHT!!!!!!
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  7. Oh for goodness sakes... innocent until proven guilty applies to a court of law. It's not a device to cleverly sidestep the fact that this center was designed to fill the needs of people who're here illegally, not legal workers. Snidely telling me to pick out a person I know is illegal and report them totally avoids the point.
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  8. So you guys really feel it is ok to just have your own opinion about the guilt of someone, and then act on that?

    Scottie,
    Someday, some US citizen, may steal your id, attack you on Max, or a host of other crimes.
    This is not the type of argument to use, if you want me on your side of the argument.
    I am sure you can come up with a much more logical argument, that does not project your biased view that you are morally superior.
    There are arguments, on the side of detaining and sending home, illegal aliens, that I am in some agreement with.

    Keith,
    Innocent until proven guilty does apply to a court of law.
    But should it not also apply to how we citizens treat each other.
    Should I treat you as a criminal, because I suspect you may have committed a crime.
    If there is reasonable evidence, that allows the law to detain you.
    But how should I treat you?
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  9. Eileen, as I said in my last post, you're using the "innocent until proven guilty" as a smokescreen. If an assumption is valid (which you still haven't tried to challenge), it's valid. In this case, assuming that a shelter providing services needed primarily by illegals advertised by a group that supports the "right" of illegal immigrants to work is meant to serve illegal immigrants is a valid assumption. It's supported by the facts of the matter. And the ultimate point is that Portland is kowtowing to people who are illegally here instead of spending money to serve Portland's legal residents (say, repairing streets).
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  10. Eileen et al,
    Do you think the city of portland should be in the temp biz?
    Unless...they are covering for others like, uh, oh, I don't know, illegals.
    Two questions: Did OJ kill his wife and did G-43 steal the 2000 election.
    When I hear your answers I'll have the full picture of your thinking on this.
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  11. ok,

    Did OJ Kill his wife?
    Maybe, but he was found "Not Guilty".
    Therefore in my mind, there is an assumption of innocence, because I certainly do not consider myself more qualified to know the truth, based on the information available to me; than those on his jury with the information available to them.

    Did G steal the 2000 election?
    I don't know.
    But I go with the assumption that he obtained the office in accordance with the law, unless someone can prove otherwise.
    It may not be in accordance with what I think is "fair".

    Should Portland be in the Temp Business?
    This is complicated.
    At what point does doing so serve the needs of the public?
    Does it do anything to modify the behavior of people, in a way that benefits the community.
    (i.e. would these people be gathering in the public streets, with "will work" signs, causing other problems).

    Should any government offer work placement services at all?
    This is not the only case of the government offering work placement services (is it?).
    Is this in the best interest of the Citizens, to use our taxes this way?

    The less people have to lose the more dangerous they become.
    Employed people are less of a threat, to others, than unemployed people.

    So I have not yet completely formed a conclusion on this.
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  12. Did OJ kill his wife?
    Yes. Did the prosecution put on a bad case? Yes. Was it any coiincidence that the jury that refused to convinct a black man was mostly black? No. Is there extra evidence available to us that indicates that the jury wouldn't have convincted him no matter the evidence? Yes; when the Browns and Goldmans later successfully sued OJ for wrongful death using identical evidence, the only juror who doubted its authenticity was black. Evidence surrounding the case therefore points to a jury unwilling to consider more than one verdict.

    Did W steal the 2000 election?
    No, but Gore made a good try of it.

    Should Portland be in the Temp Business?
    No. There are ample temp agencies in existance to serve this need, including free ones operated out of government welfare offices. It doesn't affect behavior because those that use the "will work" signs are choosing to do so and it's not because of a lack of alternatives.

    The government already offers placement services.

    It is true that the less people have to lose, the more extreme their actions have a tendency to become. This is why all illegal immigrants should be ejected from the country: they will do anything to avoid ICE getting their hands on them and this "anything" makes them useful tools for the less law-abiding.
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  13. Scottie, do you really fear people that come from other countries? Can you tell that they are here illegally and that they are violent because they are waiting for work at some public area?
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  14. I'm not afraid of people who go 10 MPH over the speed limit. That doesn't mean that they didn't break the law. Then again, I believe that breaking immigration law is a low-level felony, not a misdemeanor.

    As to the nature of those waiting, as I'm noted at least twice now, it was built specifically for them and those that most need it (illegals) are those that will most likely use it. I don't expect to find hoards of people with a valid social security number and other essentials waiting around and hoping someone will hire them.
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