Who's behind the six anthrax threats since April 26th in Portland? Is it some lone whack job or does that whack job belong to a group?The FBI, Port of Portland Police and the Portland Police Bureau are all looking into the half dozen attacks.
The white powder was contained in envelopes sent to two University human resources departments, the Port of Portland and found at the Lloyd Center post office. Calls to the FBI to find out to whom the envelopes were addressed, or if they were addressed, have not been returned.
The OHSU anthrax scare (here) is of especial concern. OHSU researchers have been regular targets by animal "rights" terrorists. Antivivisectionists and Animal Liberation Front folks are part of Occupy.
Wonder if there's a connection.
Gee, they had no trouble laughing about sending ME white powder.
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ReplyDeleteI'm always running short on baker's flour, all those US Flag cakes I bake, you know. Would that flour flowed freely from said amber waves of grain!
ReplyDeleteHi ayelis,
ReplyDeleteSeems to me your speaking freely now.....you seem to be confusing the freedom to speak with the right to be heard. Isn't swaying public opinion what free speech is all about? Isn't that what you and Occupy are trying to do?
Geez, you seem to have a fundamaental misunderstanding about how a free society works. That's always been my problen with Occupy.........they only care about their free speech rights, while trampling everyone elses'. Forty years ago (yikes), I sat in the U of O student union hearing the same kind of logic from "alienated" well to do white kids.. You seem to believe that society is just a machine that produces goodies and you just want to have your hand on the lever to direct the goodies to you and your pals. Well, the rest of us have needs and feelings just as valid as yours. You be a little more introspective on why Occupy failed. I suspect you need to look no further than their elitist attitude and the rest of us are just stage props in a guerilla theater or theray objects.
That's why real respect is earned from others, not inherent to you just showing up.
And what's a PLOCer, VT? Are you trying to say Occupy pulls feathers out of chickens?
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ReplyDeleteThat's what Occupy Portland has changed it's name too. New name, same story.
Perhaps your the one of the dozen or so (or one person with multiple blog names) Occupiers to explain what you or PLOC nee Occupy Portland is about in a few simple coherent sentences. That is, before your free speech rights are abridged.
Looks like my free speech rights(ie: post) just got abridged(ie: deleted). Of course someone like VT wouldn't want the common man to know what Occupy is about. Anyway, what makes you think Occupy has Failed in anything? I'm sure you can gather yourself and a couple of your friends, and effect greater world change than Occupy has in 8 months. Starting... NOW. This is your dare because you as an individual believe you can define the failure of a movement that is operating in hundreds of countries around the world. By January, I expect to hear "Mike and his friends changed the world" on the News (since Occupy managed to be covered by every Major news outlet, I expect your clan to do so as well). Go, go, go!
ReplyDeleteMakes sense that the great Victoria Taft would delete a post that tries to inform the public, but not a post that could get someone killed. (Like the very first reply to this thread). Way to be VT!
ReplyDeleteHi ayelis,
ReplyDeleteYou hit the nail right on the head......except for a few isolated instances, like curing cancer, one person shouldn't be able to change the world. Good lord, can you spend a few minutes thinking about how that would work? Constant turmoil and chaos, 7 billion of us prisoners to the whim of one person.
Occupy is working nowhere ayelis, other than a few pockets around college campuses. Where is Occupy in Syria or Iran? The simplest proof of that is in about the same period of time as Occupy has been around, the Tea Party seized the agenda and handed the democrats their worst mid term electoral defeat since 1936. It moved from protest movement to agent for democratic change while Occupy has virtually disappeared. Occupy's only news coverage comes from futile, juvenile, and counterproductive "days of action" mainly against teh people they claim to support. No public figure of any staure will have anything to do with them.
And not to belabor the point, it's hard to persuade people when you don't have an idea of what you want. You seem to be sympathetic to them, why don't you explain why you want?
This November, I and tens of millions more hope to effect real change at the ballot box. The way it should be done.
"The Occupy movement spontaneously created something that doesn’t really exist in the country: communities of mutual support [on a level unseen since the time of the Great Depression], cooperation, open spaces for discussion ... just people doing things and helping each other," Chomsky says. "That’s very much missing. There is a massive propaganda—it’s been going on for a century, but picking up enormously—that you really shouldn’t care about anyone else, you should just care about yourself. ... To rebuild [class solidarity], even if it’s in small pieces of the society, can become very important, can change the conception of how a society ought to function."
ReplyDeleteAnd that, that solidarity of community, that has not disappeared. And you have Occupy to thank. Though I'm sure it'll be a cold day in hell before you thank them for it.
Syria and Iran? Man, do you know how to use Google or what!
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katehicks/2011/12/20/awesome_occupy_syrias_message_for_obama
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/10/1024748/-Iran-stands-in-solidarity-with-OWS-
I agree Mike; Re: The November ballot box. That's the way real change SHOULD be effected, however, have you ever heard of this little thing called the "Electoral College"? ;) Good luck!
What do I want? I want to stand up for what is right. I want to stick up for the underdog. To speak up for those who have no voice. To defend those who cannot defend themselves.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's where else Occupy has succeeded. Now the Majority realizes, like proponents of civil rights before them, and like protestors of the corporate agenda before that, that we DO exist in a fascist police state. Somewhere along the line, the ideals espoused in the Constitution and Bill of Rights have been rightly and thoroughly trampled. Black women will be arrested and sentenced to twenty years prison for firing a gun in any direction for any reason. Police who kill the innocent won't even be detained if there is not public outrage.
I'm also under the opinion that if you're not voting for a true red-blooded, honest-to-God, constitutional republican like Ron Paul, you're throwing your vote right where Goldman Sachs wants you to throw it. (Take one look at the OpenSecrets tally of which organizations funded which candidates in the 2008 and 2012 elections).
ReplyDeleteHi ayelis,
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your comments, but I can't imagine two more polar opposites than Occupy and Ron Paul. If your a constitutional republican and support Ron Paul....then you should support the electoral college as its in the Constitution. I don't support him, because he's a libertarian, not a conservative. So if yoru looking for big government to contiunue, he's hardly your guy.
I mentioned Iran and Syria because you mentioned Occupy is all over the world and where is there more oppression...here or there? Who is less able to defend themselves? I'm not sure curses over bull horns will help much.
I don't think Noam Chomsky is a constitutional conservative either....he'd be sending you to a gulag if given the opportunity.
Occupy isn't even close to the Civil Rights movement..people actually risked their lives and freedom for their ideals....Occupy can't even handle rude language.
The real minority in this country with no voice are taxpayers. I want somebody will speak to me, not about why I need to pay more because so many don't. This is more a country of Do's and Do Not's, than Haves and Have Nots.
But it was nice of you to present some ideas to talk about regarding Occupy....you've said more than all the others combined. I would like to hear more.
I understand the Electoral College is in the constitution. I am pointing out that your vote for President is invalidated because of it. So don't think you're doing much good by voting. Your presidential vote is but a single speck of dust on a "don't walk" sign in downtown Portland. The electoral college will hire whoever they want, regardless, just as pedestrians in their suits and ties will jaywalk.
ReplyDeleteIf you think Occupy isn't risking their lives and freedom every day, then you need to turn on Youtube. There are a great many people across the United States eschewing freedom from the financial shackles imposed by the bank and loan industry, promoting the practice of sustainable economies and permacultures, and doing so all at the wrong end of a police baton. In the Bill of Rights, American Citizens are supposedly given the Freedom of Assembly, but I don't see it anymore in this nation. The bill of rights isn't the Bible. You can't just choose to ignore some parts of it if they say things you don't want to hear.
And regarding the taxpayers; "When I say cut taxes, I don't mean fiddle with the code. I mean abolish the income tax and the IRS, and replace them with nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
Before I Googled that a few seconds ago, I didn't know whether he said such a direct quote, but I was absolutely certain he would have. I know where he stands on the Federal Reserve, and I know the IRS and the FED are two sides of the same unconstitutional coin.
Then again, if Ron Paul had his way, quite a few of the practices and licenses we take for granted would disappear, and rightly so as they are all unconstitutional. The founding fathers never wanted a Federal Reserve.
Andrew Jackson, to the FED of his day: "Should I let you go on you will ruin five times as many families [as I may harm by vetoing you], and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out!"
James Garfield: "Whosoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce... And when you realise that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate."
Thomas Jefferson: "I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt." and "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
And Jefferson was right. Foreclosures have ravaged our nation. And Occupy/PLOC/whatever has been fighting, for the last eight months, to keep people in their homes with varying levels of success in varying individual cases.
It's exactly like the story of the kid on the beach, throwing beached starfish back into the water. "You can't possibly save them all." says the naysayer. "No, but I can save this one. And I can save this one."
Hi ayelis,
ReplyDeleteNot sure how I understand how the electoral college undermines my vote. When you cast your ballot, your not voting directly for the person named on it, but the electors that will represent your state in the electoral college. There seems to be way more hanky panky in trying to fix the popular vote than the electoral one.
Ayelis, your simply wrong about Occupiers risking their lives beyond the occasional drug OD or STD. As far as I know, not even one has been seriously injured by the police anywhere in the US. You do have freedom of speech and assembly, exactly the same frfeedom I and everyone else have. Occupying and destroying two city parks for 5 weeks to no real end is well in excess of any reasonable time, place and manner restrictions. This is a perfect example of the juvenile elitism of Occupy....I can do it, you can't. The Bill of Rights have never been carte blanche to run amuck, the founders envisioned a largely self limiting society to promote individual freedom and teh respect of others' rights. The constitution limits government, not people. Since you don't pick and choose among ammendments, thanks for supporting the 2nd one.
I have no idea of the context of your quotes. Your quote from Jefferson will get you a lot of "downtwinkles at the GA, buyt get you a front row seat at a Tea Party rally. One of the reasons the Articles of Confederation failed was that each state and many banks printed their own currency. Taxes, tariffs, and transportations rates widely varied from state to state and even smaller communities. Cumbersome enough then, but totally unworkable today. There is a need for a federal system to stimulate and support commerce among the states. Yikes, first you support gun rights, now property rights...you can't be an Occupier with those views because they respect neither.
At times of great turmnoil and oppression, civil disobedience has its place, Nurnberg 1938, Delhi and Calcutta in 1946, and Selma and Little Rock in 1960. Occupy is just more of this romantic faux revolutionary fervor to man the barricades to make a bunch of people who think they're entitled to the labor of others feel better about themselves That people who oppose their view are just supposed to give up and throw their principles out the window. It's not the way things work. If you and Occupy don't believe in the ballot box, your gonna have to toughen up a lot to take it to the next level.
So if you take the "issuing power" from the banks and return it "the people", what does that mean? You gonna print your own money and try to pay me with it? I don't think so. So if you get rid of the FED, how will the economy work and how will reasonable regualtions be enforced if you have no leverage over it?
The biggest drag on our economy is not banks, but the vast public debt which no equals one years worth of the economy's output for a year (that about 38 billion dollars a day).
People who couldn't afford the houses they bought, got foreclosed on. Just in case you need reminding, the money that was lent to those people to buy those houses wasn't the banks', they lent out the money we deposited in them to make those loans. You willing to fork over your 401k to some foreclosed homeowner for 15-20 years on the hope he will pay it back?
Just how is Occupy/PLOC gonna keep those people in their homes? Gonna pay their mortgates for them? You haven't saved anyone.....and with the way starfish reproduce, you save one, you have saved them all. : )
I appreciate you taking the time to express your thoughts. As I have said, in a couple of posts, you've revealed more about Occupy/PLOCs thinking than anyone else claiming to speak for them. More specifics on how all that is supposed to work would be great to hear.
It undermines your vote by lying to you, or obscuring the truth. Nobody in this country votes for the president. People may think we do. The rest of the world may think we do. We apologize to the rest of the world when we 'vote for' a bad president. (sorryeverybody.com)
ReplyDelete"occasional drug OD or STD. As far as I know, not even one has been seriously injured by the police anywhere in the US."
As far as I understand it; When the march ended, Occupy(OP) set up tents. At that point, the encampment was a group of people upset over the tactics used by banks and corporations and wishing to redress the government over such grievances. Of course, when the city's transient population, many of whom were druggies, found a bunch of campers occupying a park, they decided to set up their own tents, or lease tent space from others who were not using their tents. OP, being new at this, wasn't sure what to do in light of that situation. They couldn't just start kicking transients out. On what grounds? A leaderless movement can't be exclusive, and hey, more people means more support, right? The transients agreed with OP's message after all, and OP set up a soup kitchen and a medic station to help out protestors and transients alike. There was never any "I can do it, and you can't". But to call them all transient, or drug addicts, or juvenile elitists, is an outright fabrication. I can't speak of any STDs. I'd never heard of any sexual relations beyond the undercover cop who raped some girl.
From what I understand, there's a 2-week limit imposed on camping, but I'm not sure how it applies to Chapman/Lownsdale double-park. But if you're going to call Chapman/Lownsdale "Two city parks", I'm afraid I'll have to call the North Park Blocks "Five city parks", and Waterfront Park "Twenty city parks". Let's just split up all parks according to their size in city blocks. The Oregon Zoo? That's now "twenty-five zoos".
You think the FED/IRS prints the money? You are wrong again; that job belongs to the Treasury. The FED/IRS controls the money, and it's not "a federal system", it just calls itself one. Yet another political lie trying to pass for truth. Getting rid of them would simply take the control of our money out of the hands of a privatized central bank, like Jefferson wanted. As for national debt; www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo2.htm
For public debt, I'm afraid the only solution is complete Communistic redistribution of wealth or complete Socialist amnesty. The richest 10% own 90% of the material wealth, inflation keeps raising 25% to 33% every decade, but minimum wage keeps at a steady 0% for decades at a time (meaning people are actually being paid 25% to 33% less!). You can't squeeze blood from a stone, unless it's your own blood you want.
My 401k is not in a bank, like it should be, it's in stocks (which I guess are probably still in a bank somewhere). And while, no, it's not my fault that the banks decided to do risky things with my money, really, I took the risk by letting them have it, didn't I? You shouldn't risk something you're not willing to lose. Rule #1 of gambling. And the banks should have thought of that before they gambled all my money away on loans.
Occupy is, at the moment, keeping people in their homes by preventing the powers that be from evicting them. By protesting. By blocking, physically. By causing a ruckus and being a nuisance. I didn't tell them to do it. Don't look at me. Again, I am not affiliated with Occupy. Down at the PLOCers Plot, it's consensus rule. The loudest voices may be enthusiastic or charismatic, but they still need a majority of the finger vote.
It's too bad humans reproduce the way we do. Because we're going to save at least two of them. I just hope one's a male and one's a female.
The first amendment which grants the right to assemble to protest or petition your government against grievances or whatever, you know, it doesn't really have any rules or regulations attached to it, does it? There's not a guidebook attached, it just says "assembly" and "redress". Well, people assembled. When did the government do any redressing, or even make an allowance to assemble? I absolutely support the second amendment. We would not be in the mess we are in now if all Americans had guns like the founding fathers envisioned they should have done. Could you imagine the police hospitalizing a man by shooting him in the head point blank with a teargas canister (Occupy Oakland, November 2011) or fracturing a man's leg bone (Portland May Day Protests, 2012) in a country where everyone owned a gun? Could you imagine the police arresting people for dancing in a state monument, arresting people for selling lemonade, bothering people for giving out free hugs, or shooting people's dogs in a country where the common person was armed? I have more quotes from the founding fathers...
ReplyDelete"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence... from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable... the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." - George Washington, 1st President
"All power is inherent in the people: it is their right and duty to be at all times armed" - Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President
"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton, 1st Sec. Treasury
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason, Father of the Bill of Rights, 1788
"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves. To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, Founding Father, 1788
"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world. Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of firearms." - Thomas Paine, Founding Father
I don't own a gun, but I firmly support the Second Amendment and so should we all. We, the people, should be working on banning the "gun permit", and putting a firearm in the ownership of all good men.
I hear that George Washington quote isn't exactly "real" however. Man oh man, it sounded good. "Liberty Teeth". What a kick!
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